Asking the living to pray with us does not extend to the dead, with whom we cannot communicate

Asking trusted pious people to pray with us and for us belongs to honor among those with whom we have real dealings.

No one addresses, aloud or in the heart, a pious man too far away for even a letter, as if someone in Jerusalem had silently begged the help of Paul's prayers while Paul was in prison at Rome.

For that reason Protestants do not ask the dead in Christ, as they ask the living, to help them before God.

The blessed are far off in glory, and there is no way left to tell them what we feel.

Latin

XXXIII. Ad eum autem honorem, quem deferimus iis quibuscum hic versamur, aut quibuscum nobis est mutuum aliquod commercium, illud quoque pertinet, quod eos de quorum sumus pietate persuasi, rogare solemus, ut nos apud Deum precibus suis juvent, ac nobiscum postulent ea quibus egemus bona & auxilia. Nec enim quisquam virum pium procul degentem, & cum quo nullum potest epistolarum commercium habere, voce, vel corde rogabit, ut pro ipso Deum oret: ut si quis olim Hierosolymis Paulum Romae vinctum allocutus fuisset, & verbis, vel tacita & interiori loquela, precum ejus apud Deum auxilium implorasset. Inde est quod Protestantes & Reformati omnes, Sanctos in Christo defunctos, non perinde ac vivos, rogant ut illos suis orationibus apud Deum adjuvent. Quoniam, scilicet, illi procul a nobis beatitudine & gloria caelesti fruuntur: nec ulla ratio superest, qua possimus cum illis animi nostri sensa communicare.

About this text

Louis Le Blanc de Beaulieu - Sedan Theological Theses, newly rendered from the 1675 London Latin. Covers De Theologia through Angelorum & Hominum Sanctorum Cultu Romana I-LXXVII and Pars Secunda (Reformata) I-XL. Not the collected folio.

English follows locked Pitt Latin through Imaginum CLOSED + Sanctorum Cultu Romana CLOSED + Pars Secunda Reformata I-XL. 1675 PDF ~384-390 (book ~370-376); Vision OCR + pdftotext + tess. No modern English. This slice densifies Sanctorum Pars Secunda I-XL. Next: Pars Secunda XLI–fin (~CI). Claim stays claimed (book densify not done).

Catalogue & scope

ESTC R17887; Wing L802. IA bub_gb_eOkHAW4G0-wC (+ EEBO 1675 for gap leaves). Densify through Sanctorum Cultu Romana I-LXXVII + Pars Secunda Reformata I-XL (Pars Secunda not closed; not whole folio).

Witnesses

Copy-text Locked Latin, De Theologia I-XLIII (Pitt 1675) (Latin)
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Copy-text Locked Latin, De Fide I-XXII (Pitt 1675) (Latin)
Copy-text Locked Latin, De Authoritate Scripturae Pars I I-XLVII + Pars II I-XXXV + Pars III I-VIII (Pitt 1675) (Latin)
Copy-text Locked Latin, De Scripturae plenitudine densify (Pitt 1675) (Latin)

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