On the Imputation of Adam's First Sin · §372

Man. Post. Cap. VII: PLAC — separable from condition, not from the person

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PLAC. Perhaps when you say separable, you understand not only that they can be separated—so that, honors being lost, riches can remain, and nobility being lost, affinities can remain. But if it is so explained, who will not retort that Adam's goods also were separable, because the natural light of the intellect, and common notions, and the work of the law written in the hearts could remain, and yet rectitude, justice, holiness be lost—and we know it was done. And in this again the similitude holds. But when the heads of dissimilarity are explained, is nothing said of the first member? I acknowledge the four members were not so proposed by me that they were not explained one by one in order, and I confess I was longer in explaining the first. But the learned man, having read my words, seems to have had something else in mind which hindered him from both rightly contracting them and understanding them well. For he invents for me a mind very alien to mine. I said in the traitor's example that goods can be separated from the condition under which they were received; he understood that they can be separated from the traitor himself, or from the habit. And so I said one thing; he answers another.

Latin

PLAC. Forte cum separabilia dicis, intelligis non modo separari posse, ita ut scilicet, amissis honoribus, remanere possint divitiae, & amissa nobilitate, remanere possint affinitates. Quod si ita explicatur, quis non regerat, & bona Adami fuisse separabilia, quia & lumen naturale intellectus, & communes notiones, & opus legis scriptum in cordibus remanere potuit, & amitti tamen rectitudo, justitia, sanctitas — & factum esse novimus. Et in hoc iterum similitudo constat. At ubi dissimilitudinis capita explicantur, de primo membro nihil dicitur? Agnosco non ita quatuor membra a me proposita, ut non quatenus ordine singula explicata sint, & fateor me in explicando primo longiorem fuisse. Sed videtur vir doctus lectis verbis meis aliud quid mente agitasse, quod impedivit quominus ea & recte contraheret, & bene intelligeret. Mentem enim a mea valde alienam mihi affingit. Dixi in exemplo perduellis bona separari posse a conditione sub qua accepta sunt; ille intellexit separari posse ab ipso perduelli, aut a habitu. Itaque aliud dixi, ad aliud ille respondet.

About this text

Josue de la Place (Placeus) — Capita I–XIV partial of De imputatione primi peccati Adami from the 1661 Saumur Latin, through Man. Post. Caput X (GAR.1–3 Rom. 5.13 tip) / before PLAC on reatus-only. Honest partial; Cap. X Rom. 5:14+ / ~494 pp Disputatio remain.

English follows the locked 1661 Saumur Latin of Capita I–XIV partial through Man. Post. Caput IX (eph-ho / eph-ho pantes) before eph-ho / eph-ho pantes, reconstructed from IA PDF page images with Vision OCR and pdftotext as check. No modern English was copied. Cap. IX deepen+ remain.

Catalogue & scope

IA deimputationepri00lapl. Densify: Capita I–XII + Caput XIV + Man. Post. Cap. II–VI through Cap. X Rom. 5:14 tip. Not whole Disputatio; Cap. X Rom. 5:14+ / ~494 pp Disputatio remain.

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Copy-text Locked Latin, Caput Primum tip (Saumur 1661) (Latin)
Checked print IA Text PDF tip-page extract of Caput Primum (Latin)
Checked print IA DjVu OCR of the 1661 volume (Latin)
Copy-text Locked Latin, Caput II probable arguments I–VII (Saumur 1661) (Latin)
Copy-text Locked Latin, Caput III necessary arguments (Saumur 1661) (Latin)
Copy-text Locked Latin, Caput IV tip through Garissoles distinction (Saumur 1661) (Latin)
Copy-text Locked Latin, Caput IV remainder through Drelincourt (Saumur 1661) (Latin)
Copy-text Locked Latin, Caput V Distributio + Caput VI tip (Saumur 1661) (Latin)
Copy-text Locked Latin, Caput VI remainder Maresius args I–VIII (Saumur 1661) (Latin)
Copy-text Locked Latin, Caput VII tip Garissoles through Rivetus (Saumur 1661) (Latin)
Copy-text Locked Latin, Caput VII rest after Rivetus tip through Garissoles consequent confession (Saumur 1661) (Latin)
Copy-text Locked Latin, Caput VII §.6 causes-argument through Sed pergamus (Saumur 1661) (Latin)
Copy-text Locked Latin, Caput VII Denique / σκοπῷ–verbis tip (Saumur 1661) (Latin)
Copy-text Locked Latin, Caput VII Accedamus ἐφ᾽ ᾧ / aorist / lexicography tip (Saumur 1661) (Latin)
Copy-text Locked Latin, Caput VII Ad alias rationes Prima–Tertia tip (Saumur 1661) (Latin)
Copy-text Locked Latin, Caput VII Praeter aberrationem through Christ–Adam close (Saumur 1661) (Latin)
Copy-text Locked Latin, Caput VII Quarta ratio through Sed pergamus (Saumur 1661) (Latin)
Copy-text Locked Latin, Caput VII Quinta & ultima ratio through p.70 return (Saumur 1661) (Latin)
Copy-text Locked Latin, Caput VIII opening through Rom. 5:15 gift reductio (Saumur 1661) (Latin)
Copy-text Locked Latin, Caput VIII Calvin p.20 through hereditary-corruption close (Saumur 1661) (Latin)
Copy-text Locked Latin, Caput VIII Ex vs.16 through Chamier disertius close (Saumur 1661) (Latin)
Copy-text Locked Latin, Caput VIII IV Ex vs.17 through V Ex vs.18 Pelagius dilemma close (Saumur 1661) (Latin)
Copy-text Locked Latin, Caput VIII VI Ex vs.19 through Chamier/Martyr close before Caput IX (Saumur 1661) (Latin)
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Copy-text Locked Latin, Caput X Theologorum auxilium through Bellarmine retorsion before Christi justitia (Saumur 1661) (Latin)
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Copy-text Locked Latin, Caput XII Tranfit vers. XIX Rom 5:19 / Chamier / Blancus before Cap. XIV (Saumur 1661) (Latin)
Copy-text Locked Latin, Caput XIV Nullam extare / Manuscriptum posterius Cap. I before Cap. II (Saumur 1661) (Latin)
Copy-text Locked Latin, Man. Post. Cap. II §XIV Garissoles primi peccati naming / Placeus bile reply before duplex question (Saumur 1661) (Latin)
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Copy-text Locked Latin, Man. Post. Cap. II §III Garissoles fourfold / actualis (Saumur 1661) (Latin)
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Copy-text Locked Latin, Man. Post. Cap. II §XIX Tum in nomine before Deinde habitus (Saumur 1661) (Latin)
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Copy-text Locked Latin, Man. Post. Cap. II Posterior quaestio de poena before Cap. III (Saumur 1661) (Latin)
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Copy-text Locked Latin, Man. Post. Cap. IV GAR Cameron–Amyraut vita promissa (Saumur 1661) (Latin)
Copy-text Locked Latin, Man. Post. Cap. IV GAR Cameron–Amyraut vita promissa (Saumur 1661) (Latin)
Copy-text Locked Latin, Man. Post. Cap. IV Tertia GAR three rationes (Saumur 1661) (Latin)
Copy-text Locked Latin, Man. Post. Cap. IV Noli/Quarta/Quinta (Saumur 1661) (Latin)
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Copy-text Locked Latin, Man. Post. Cap. IV GAR Denique / Vir Doctus threefold tip (Saumur 1661) (Latin)
Copy-text Locked Latin, Man. Post. Caput V quid sit imputari tip (Saumur 1661) (Latin)
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Copy-text Locked Latin, Man. Post. Cap. VI Isaiah 55 / Subjungis tip (Saumur 1661) (Latin)
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Copy-text Locked Latin, Man. Post. Cap. VI foedus-condition tip (Saumur 1661) (Latin)
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Copy-text Locked Latin, Man. Post. Cap. VI infants/Confessio/Pighius tip (Saumur 1661) (Latin)
Copy-text Locked Latin, Man. Post. Cap. VI generative-faculty quarrel tip (Saumur 1661) (Latin)
Copy-text Locked Latin, Man. Post. Cap. VI last-end / pleasure-vs-generation tip (Saumur 1661) (Latin)
Copy-text Locked Latin, Man. Post. Cap. VI original-stain syllogism tip (Saumur 1661) (Latin)
Copy-text Locked Latin, Man. Post. Cap. VI poena/permission/natural-propagation tip (Saumur 1661) (Latin)
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Copy-text Locked Latin, Man. Post. Cap. VII separability/judicial tip (Saumur 1661) (Latin)
Copy-text Locked Latin, Man. Post. Cap. VII penalties/meritorie tip (Saumur 1661) (Latin)
Copy-text Locked Latin, Man. Post. Cap. VII sons/Deut 24 tip (Saumur 1661) (Latin)
Copy-text Locked Latin, Man. Post. Cap. VII magist/power-vs-justice tip (Saumur 1661) (Latin)
Copy-text Locked Latin, Man. Post. Cap. VII second similitude Thomas/body tip (Saumur 1661) (Latin)
Copy-text Locked Latin, Man. Post. Cap. VII GAR Augustine/representation tip (Saumur 1661) (Latin)
Copy-text Locked Latin, Man. Post. Cap. VII 3rd similitude King/war tip (Saumur 1661) (Latin)
Copy-text Locked Latin, Man. Post. Cap. VII God-as-judge/Abraham tip (Saumur 1661) (Latin)
Copy-text Locked Latin, Man. Post. Cap. VII GAR Ezek 21 / just-with-unjust (Saumur 1661) (Latin)
Copy-text Locked Latin, Man. Post. Cap. VII Quarto/Quinto close (Saumur 1661) (Latin)
Copy-text Locked Latin, Man. Post. Cap. VIII OT tree interdict open (Saumur 1661) (Latin)
Copy-text Locked Latin, Man. Post. Cap. VIII Hypognosticon / interdict silence (Saumur 1661) (Latin)
Copy-text Locked Latin, Man. Post. Cap. VIII sentence / common-penalty (Saumur 1661) (Latin)
Copy-text Locked Latin, Man. Post. Cap. VIII personal words / quia paruisti (Saumur 1661) (Latin)
Copy-text Locked Latin, Man. Post. Cap. VIII Gospel promise / seed of woman (Saumur 1661) (Latin)
Copy-text Locked Latin, Man. Post. Cap. VIII death-reply / Ps 32 (Saumur 1661) (Latin)
Copy-text Locked Latin, Man. Post. Cap. VIII Abraham / OT close (Saumur 1661) (Latin)
Copy-text Locked Latin, Man. Post. Cap. IX Rom 5:12 open (Saumur 1661) (Latin)
Copy-text Locked Latin, Man. Post. Cap. IX four proofs (Saumur 1661) (Latin)
Copy-text Locked Latin, Man. Post. Cap. IX name-distinctions (Saumur 1661) (Latin)
Copy-text Locked Latin, Man. Post. Cap. IX GAR/Beza (Saumur 1661) (Latin)
Copy-text Locked Latin, Man. Post. Cap. IX GAR Cap. VII § IX (Saumur 1661) (Latin)
Copy-text Locked Latin, Man. Post. Cap. IX GAR Cap. VIII Resp. 1 (Saumur 1661) (Latin)
Copy-text Locked Latin, Man. Post. Cap. IX PLAC vs GAR 3 (Saumur 1661) (Latin)
Copy-text Locked Latin, Man. Post. Cap. IX imputatum-est reductio (Saumur 1661) (Latin)
Copy-text Locked Latin, Man. Post. Cap. IX three senses of imputation (Saumur 1661) (Latin)
Copy-text Locked Latin, Man. Post. Cap. IX omit/death dilemma (Saumur 1661) (Latin)
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Copy-text Locked Latin, Man. Post. Cap. X Rom.5.13 open tip (Saumur 1661) (Latin)
Copy-text Locked Latin, Man. Post. Cap. IX omit/death dilemma (Saumur 1661) (Latin)
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