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On the Imputation of Adam's First Sin · §190

Man. Post. Cap. II §XIX: Garissoles on Socinians; Placeus — Socinus denies in word, affirms in deed

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Garissoles: Last, the Socinians flatly deny that Adam's sin is imputed, yet still say that because of our own sin we stand where we would stand if we had done Adam's actual disobedience—because they treat that sort of 'imputation' as no real imputation at all. Placeus: Again the urge to blacken us has fogged the learned man's mind. He claims the Socinians admit we are held, because of our sin, as if we had done Adam's actual disobedience. False. They do put us in Adam's place—but not for our sin (they grant no birth-inhering sin). They do it because we were begotten by him, and children get the father's judgment. Heaven and earth lie between that and our view. For the rest: Socinus denies Adam's sin-imputation in speech and installs it in substance. If son and Father share one judgment, and the father is judged a sinner worthy of punishment, the son is judged worthy too—the one for his own sin, the other for his father's. On the learned man's own showing, that imputes the father's sin to the son, and immediately—because Socinus denies hereditary corruption, without which mediate imputation cannot stand. The same death falls on Adam and on his posterity; and for the learned man, inflicting punishment is itself imputing sin. So in fact Socinus denies the mediate imputation I grant, and only verbally denies the immediate imputation I oppose—while affirming it in the deed.

Latin

GAR. Denique Socinistae imputationem peccati Adae exerte negant, & agnoscunt tamen nos propter nostrum peccatum eodem loco haberi, ac si Adami actualem inobedientiam commisissemus, quia nimirum imputationem peccati sic explicatam agnoverunt, nullam esse veri nominis imputationem. PLAC. Hic quoque nos traducendi cupido tenebras offudit animo Viri Docti. Ait enim Socinistas agnoscere nos propter nostrum peccatum eodem loco haberi, ac si Adami actualem ipsam inobedientiam commisissemus. Id quod falsum est. Volunt enim nos quidem eodem cum Adamo loco haberi, at non propter peccatum nostrum (peccatum enim ab origine nobis inhaerens nullum agnoscunt) sed quia sumus ab eo procreati, & de liberis idem quod de patre judicium sit. Itaque ab eorum sententia abest nostra toto caelo. Caeterum imputationem peccati Adami Socinus verbis negat, re ponit. Nam si idem sit de filio quod de Patre judicium, & hic judicatur peccator & dignus poena, judicatur etiam poena dignus esse filius: Ille quidem quia ipse peccavit, hic vero quia ejus pater peccavit. Id quod, ipso Viro Docto teste, est peccatum patris filio imputare, & quidem imputatione immediata; quippe cum haereditariam corruptionem neget Socinus, sine qua mediata imputatio esse non potest. Adde quod eadem mors infligitur posteris Adami & Adamo. Ipsa autem poenae inflictio est Viro Docto peccati imputatio. Revera igitur Socinus negat imputationem mediatam quam agnosco; immediatam quam impugno verbotenus tantum negat, re autem ipsa affirmat.

About this text

Josue de la Place (Placeus) — Capita I–XIV partial of De imputatione primi peccati Adami from the 1661 Saumur Latin, through Man. Post. Caput X (GAR.1–3 Rom. 5.13 tip) / before PLAC on reatus-only. Honest partial; Cap. X Rom. 5:14+ / ~494 pp Disputatio remain.

English follows the locked 1661 Saumur Latin of Capita I–XIV partial through Man. Post. Caput IX (eph-ho / eph-ho pantes) before eph-ho / eph-ho pantes, reconstructed from IA PDF page images with Vision OCR and pdftotext as check. No modern English was copied. Cap. IX deepen+ remain.

Catalogue & scope

IA deimputationepri00lapl. Densify: Capita I–XII + Caput XIV + Man. Post. Cap. II–VI through Cap. X Rom. 5:14 tip. Not whole Disputatio; Cap. X Rom. 5:14+ / ~494 pp Disputatio remain.

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