Man. Post. Cap. I: Placeus on ambiguity, Confession breach, consent dilemma; before Cap. II
You add the reason: how then did death reign even over those who did not sin after the likeness of Adam's trespass, if Adam's sin was not imputed to them? Picture a newborn, or a child dying in the womb: what in him can be called sin? His will is idle of every act and cannot sin by its own choice. He has, you will say, seeds of sin—granted—but not yet sin properly, except that origin-sin by which he sinned in Adam. So his sin is sought not in him or from himself but in the first origin, the first parent; and that sin is nothing but Adam's voluntary disobedience, and so on. You therefore own no original sin but Adam's first actual sin imputed to us, and no guilt in infants but what springs immediately from that imputation. With what mind, then, do you call inherent corruption now simply sin, now original sin? So you have poured ambiguity and confusion into your case—harmful to me had I not spotted it and, as I do, cleared it away. I wonder, reverend Sir, that you, so openly leaving our Church's confession, could charge me—who cling to it—as if I had deserted it. It also grieves me that I cannot shield you, whom I love and who outshine others in doctrine and holiness, from inconstancy or from dissimulation: inconstancy, if you have sometimes held and sometimes not held that inherent corruption is truly sin and itself yields eternal death's guilt; dissimulation, if while you steadily held it is not sin you still said and pressed in places that it is, as if you truly believed it, and even claimed we do not disagree—when you could not miss that not only I, whom you set out to refute, but our Churches too hold that vice formally and properly, and, as the confession says, truly sin; and that those who with you urge first-sin imputation usually split original sin into two—imputed and inherent—and give each its own guilt of eternal death. I would cite witnesses if the books were not known to all and worn by every hand. So either you grant that hereditary corruption, apart from Adam's imputed sin, is truly sin enough to damn the human race, or you deny it. If you grant it, take back the reasons and answers you built in this tract on the contrary premise. If you deny it, this will be our one special quarrel, which I will gladly take up to defend our Churches' confession, which seems to me most true.
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Subjicis rationem: nam quinam mors regnavit tunc in eos quoque qui non peccaverunt ad similitudinem transgressionis Adam, si hoc peccatum Adami non fuit illis imputatum? Finge puerum recens natum vel in utero ipso matris morientem, quid in illo est quod peccatum dici possit? voluntas in ipso ab omni actione vacat, nec potest propria voluntate peccare. Habet in se, inquies, semina peccati, valeat, sed nondum peccatum proprie, nisi peccatum illud originis, quo in Adamo peccavit. Ergo peccatum illius non in ipso, vel ex seipso, sed in prima origine, id est, in primo parente quaerendum est: Nec est aliud peccatum illud quam inobedientia illa voluntaria Adami etc. Tu igitur nullum peccatum originale agnoscis praeter primum illud peccatum actuale Adami nobis imputatum, nullum reatum in infantibus praeter eum qui immediate ex illa imputatione existit. Quo ergo vel animo, vel sensu, corruptionem inhaerentem modo simpliciter peccatum, modo cum epitheto peccatum originale appellas? sic enim in hanc tuam disputationem ambiguitatem et confusionem intulisti, noxiam mihi futuram nisi eam deprehendissem, ac, quod facio, sustulissem. Hic subit animum meum mirari, vir reverende, qui, cum tam aperte a confessione Ecclesiae nostrae abeas, potueris inducere in animum tuum, ut mihi, qui illi religiose adhaereo, quasi ab ea defcivissem, grandem dicam scriberes. Dolet etiam mihi quod te aliis doctrina et sanctitate praelucentem, et quem ex animo diligo, tueri non possim vel ab inconstantia, vel a dissimulatione: ab inconstantia quidem si corruptionem inhaerentem vere peccatum esse, reatum mortis aeternae ex sese fundens modo sensisti, modo non sensisti; a dissimulatione vero, si cum sentires constanter non esse peccatum, tu tamen peccatum esse aliquot locis dixisti et inculcasti, perinde ac si revera et proprie peccatum esse crederes, nec eo contentus, affirmasti inter nos ea de re nullam esse dissensionem, cum te fugere non posset, non solum me, quem refutandum sumpseras, sed Ecclesias etiam nostras vitium illud formaliter et proprie, et, ut loquitur confessio fidei, vere peccatum esse statuere; et eos ipsos, qui tecum imputationem primi peccati urgent, solitos esse peccatum originale in duo peccata dispescere, imputatum et inhaerens, ac suum utrique proprium Mortis aeternae reatum attribuere. Laudarem testimonia nisi libri omnibus noti essent, omnium triti manibus. Hic igitur aut consentis corruptionem haereditariam, seposito peccato Adami imputato, esse vere peccatum damnando generi humano sufficiens, aut dissentis. Si consentis, revoca eas rationes et solutiones, quas in progressu hujus tui tractatus contrariae hypothesi superstuxisti. Si dissentis, haec erit inter me teque unum singularis controversia, quam libentissime suscipiam pro tuenda confessione Ecclesiarum nostrarum, quae mihi videtur verissima.
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Josue de la Place (Placeus) — Capita I–XIV partial of De imputatione primi peccati Adami from the 1661 Saumur Latin, through Man. Post. Caput X (GAR.1–3 Rom. 5.13 tip) / before PLAC on reatus-only. Honest partial; Cap. X Rom. 5:14+ / ~494 pp Disputatio remain.
English follows the locked 1661 Saumur Latin of Capita I–XIV partial through Man. Post. Caput IX (eph-ho / eph-ho pantes) before eph-ho / eph-ho pantes, reconstructed from IA PDF page images with Vision OCR and pdftotext as check. No modern English was copied. Cap. IX deepen+ remain.
Catalogue & scope
IA deimputationepri00lapl. Densify: Capita I–XII + Caput XIV + Man. Post. Cap. II–VI through Cap. X Rom. 5:14 tip. Not whole Disputatio; Cap. X Rom. 5:14+ / ~494 pp Disputatio remain.
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- Checked print IA DjVu OCR of the 1661 volume (Latin)
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- Copy-text Locked Latin, Caput III necessary arguments (Saumur 1661) (Latin)
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- Copy-text Locked Latin, Caput V Distributio + Caput VI tip (Saumur 1661) (Latin)
- Copy-text Locked Latin, Caput VI remainder Maresius args I–VIII (Saumur 1661) (Latin)
- Copy-text Locked Latin, Caput VII tip Garissoles through Rivetus (Saumur 1661) (Latin)
- Copy-text Locked Latin, Caput VII rest after Rivetus tip through Garissoles consequent confession (Saumur 1661) (Latin)
- Copy-text Locked Latin, Caput VII §.6 causes-argument through Sed pergamus (Saumur 1661) (Latin)
- Copy-text Locked Latin, Caput VII Denique / σκοπῷ–verbis tip (Saumur 1661) (Latin)
- Copy-text Locked Latin, Caput VII Accedamus ἐφ᾽ ᾧ / aorist / lexicography tip (Saumur 1661) (Latin)
- Copy-text Locked Latin, Caput VII Ad alias rationes Prima–Tertia tip (Saumur 1661) (Latin)
- Copy-text Locked Latin, Caput VII Praeter aberrationem through Christ–Adam close (Saumur 1661) (Latin)
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- Copy-text Locked Latin, Caput VII Quinta & ultima ratio through p.70 return (Saumur 1661) (Latin)
- Copy-text Locked Latin, Caput VIII opening through Rom. 5:15 gift reductio (Saumur 1661) (Latin)
- Copy-text Locked Latin, Caput VIII Calvin p.20 through hereditary-corruption close (Saumur 1661) (Latin)
- Copy-text Locked Latin, Caput VIII Ex vs.16 through Chamier disertius close (Saumur 1661) (Latin)
- Copy-text Locked Latin, Caput VIII IV Ex vs.17 through V Ex vs.18 Pelagius dilemma close (Saumur 1661) (Latin)
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- Copy-text Locked Latin, Caput X Theologorum auxilium through Bellarmine retorsion before Christi justitia (Saumur 1661) (Latin)
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- Copy-text Locked Latin, Caput XII Daubuz antecedent/immediate open before v.19 (Saumur 1661) (Latin)
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- Copy-text Locked Latin, Caput XIV Nullam extare / Manuscriptum posterius Cap. I before Cap. II (Saumur 1661) (Latin)
- Copy-text Locked Latin, Man. Post. Cap. II §XIV Garissoles primi peccati naming / Placeus bile reply before duplex question (Saumur 1661) (Latin)
- Copy-text Locked Latin, Man. Post. Cap. II Status Questionis before §III (Saumur 1661) (Latin)
- Copy-text Locked Latin, Man. Post. Cap. II §III Garissoles fourfold / actualis (Saumur 1661) (Latin)
- Copy-text Locked Latin, Man. Post. Cap. II duplex Immediata/Mediata before §XIX (Saumur 1661) (Latin)
- Copy-text Locked Latin, Man. Post. Cap. II §XIX Tum in nomine before Deinde habitus (Saumur 1661) (Latin)
- Copy-text Locked Latin, Man. Post. Cap. II GAR Deinde habitus before Posterior quaestio (Saumur 1661) (Latin)
- Copy-text Locked Latin, Man. Post. Cap. II Posterior quaestio de poena before Cap. III (Saumur 1661) (Latin)
- Copy-text Locked Latin, Man. Post. Cap. III Observata quaedam before Cap. IV (Saumur 1661) (Latin)
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- Copy-text Locked Latin, Man. Post. Cap. IV GAR Cameron–Amyraut vita promissa (Saumur 1661) (Latin)
- Copy-text Locked Latin, Man. Post. Cap. IV GAR Cameron–Amyraut vita promissa (Saumur 1661) (Latin)
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- Copy-text Locked Latin, Man. Post. Cap. IV GAR 2 Quinta / Sexta tip (Saumur 1661) (Latin)
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- Copy-text Locked Latin, Man. Post. Cap. IV GAR Denique / Vir Doctus threefold tip (Saumur 1661) (Latin)
- Copy-text Locked Latin, Man. Post. Caput V quid sit imputari tip (Saumur 1661) (Latin)
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- Copy-text Locked Latin, Man. Post. Cap. VI Chamier tip (Saumur 1661) (Latin)
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- Copy-text Locked Latin, Man. Post. Cap. VII separability/judicial tip (Saumur 1661) (Latin)
- Copy-text Locked Latin, Man. Post. Cap. VII penalties/meritorie tip (Saumur 1661) (Latin)
- Copy-text Locked Latin, Man. Post. Cap. VII sons/Deut 24 tip (Saumur 1661) (Latin)
- Copy-text Locked Latin, Man. Post. Cap. VII magist/power-vs-justice tip (Saumur 1661) (Latin)
- Copy-text Locked Latin, Man. Post. Cap. VII second similitude Thomas/body tip (Saumur 1661) (Latin)
- Copy-text Locked Latin, Man. Post. Cap. VII GAR Augustine/representation tip (Saumur 1661) (Latin)
- Copy-text Locked Latin, Man. Post. Cap. VII 3rd similitude King/war tip (Saumur 1661) (Latin)
- Copy-text Locked Latin, Man. Post. Cap. VII God-as-judge/Abraham tip (Saumur 1661) (Latin)
- Copy-text Locked Latin, Man. Post. Cap. VII GAR Ezek 21 / just-with-unjust (Saumur 1661) (Latin)
- Copy-text Locked Latin, Man. Post. Cap. VII Quarto/Quinto close (Saumur 1661) (Latin)
- Copy-text Locked Latin, Man. Post. Cap. VIII OT tree interdict open (Saumur 1661) (Latin)
- Copy-text Locked Latin, Man. Post. Cap. VIII Hypognosticon / interdict silence (Saumur 1661) (Latin)
- Copy-text Locked Latin, Man. Post. Cap. VIII sentence / common-penalty (Saumur 1661) (Latin)
- Copy-text Locked Latin, Man. Post. Cap. VIII personal words / quia paruisti (Saumur 1661) (Latin)
- Copy-text Locked Latin, Man. Post. Cap. VIII Gospel promise / seed of woman (Saumur 1661) (Latin)
- Copy-text Locked Latin, Man. Post. Cap. VIII death-reply / Ps 32 (Saumur 1661) (Latin)
- Copy-text Locked Latin, Man. Post. Cap. VIII Abraham / OT close (Saumur 1661) (Latin)
- Copy-text Locked Latin, Man. Post. Cap. IX Rom 5:12 open (Saumur 1661) (Latin)
- Copy-text Locked Latin, Man. Post. Cap. IX four proofs (Saumur 1661) (Latin)
- Copy-text Locked Latin, Man. Post. Cap. IX name-distinctions (Saumur 1661) (Latin)
- Copy-text Locked Latin, Man. Post. Cap. IX GAR/Beza (Saumur 1661) (Latin)
- Copy-text Locked Latin, Man. Post. Cap. IX GAR Cap. VII § IX (Saumur 1661) (Latin)
- Copy-text Locked Latin, Man. Post. Cap. IX GAR Cap. VIII Resp. 1 (Saumur 1661) (Latin)
- Copy-text Locked Latin, Man. Post. Cap. IX PLAC vs GAR 3 (Saumur 1661) (Latin)
- Copy-text Locked Latin, Man. Post. Cap. IX imputatum-est reductio (Saumur 1661) (Latin)
- Copy-text Locked Latin, Man. Post. Cap. IX three senses of imputation (Saumur 1661) (Latin)
- Copy-text Locked Latin, Man. Post. Cap. IX omit/death dilemma (Saumur 1661) (Latin)
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- Copy-text Locked Latin, Man. Post. Cap. IX omit/death dilemma (Saumur 1661) (Latin)
- Copy-text Locked Latin, Man. Post. Cap. X Rom.5.13 open tip (Saumur 1661) (Latin)
- Copy-text Locked Latin, Man. Post. Cap. IX omit/death dilemma (Saumur 1661) (Latin)
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